Muz funny you should mention Camry. I was returning from my favourite Coffee haunt (Zarraffa's) this morning when I looked in the rear-view mirror and perceived what I saw to be the new Opelodore pretend Holden, but as I turned left I saw the r-send of the car and it was a Camry ! Now I can hear some of you saying "Get some Glasses Pony !" but I swear, from a distance, and in a rear view mirror they looked the bloody same ! ----------------------------- A photo off the net of both a Toyota and an Opel, er, Holdpel... . What do you think ?