[quote]Muz you are pretty right about Rentals, they can even cross creeks ! (Half-Way across at least) And no names mentioned but years ago I did know of one Budget SLE Commodore V8 doing 4 quick laps of Lakeside ...................[/quote] I can remember getting a VC SLE up to north of 200 KMH when I was doing Pre Delivery inspections at North Pine Motors at Petrie! Boomer: it's an Avis rental. My dent is right on top of an existing scratch and very minor dent. Didn't get to Tucson this trip (first time I've visited the USA & not gone there. The trip is drawing to a close, we ditch the 'dental car" tomorrow in Las Vegas, and spend the last 4 days there. Here's some more finds.